Due to new evidence that recently surfaced, the MET has decided to prematurely drop the case against RCH.
Update:
Excerpt from police news-wire
... "Officers from Barnet's sexual offences, exploitation and child abuse
command, who investigated the allegations, "confirm that all allegations
have been fully investigated."...
Now let all the spinners start the game that it's only because the women didn't come forward.
ReplyDeleteLook how you are spinning ..... who is the spinner ?
DeleteYou are making spin of a spin.
DeleteWatch out, it's coming back to hit you.
RCH will be cleared all the way through. Because "Hashem Imo"
or she dosent have on what to tastifi or shes a lier beacuse the rabbunim backed her to testefi and i hope rch will make her testifi to show she is a lier but the rabonim will say you are not allowed to go the court
DeleteHe gave his Shiur tonight like nothing happened. Just a small mention beforehand and moved on.
ReplyDeleteLOL! ;-)
whatever happened to the so called "velvel's" 30 women that have come forward?
ReplyDeleteHappy to have stayed on the right side the whole way through. B"H!
ReplyDeleteאשרי מי שחושדין אותו ואין בו
ReplyDeleteיהא חלקי עמו
What is the new evidence you are talking about?
ReplyDeleteWhat was exposed?
B"H
ReplyDeleteSince I can't seem to figure out the mentality of humanity, I'll express it in a series of posts "Oxy-Moron"
ReplyDeleteModerator please let them through, they are fairly important to understanding the 18 Month long saga that has dragged us all out of our senses.
Oxy: Why is he fighting back, it would be much better for him to lay down, under radar, quietly.
Moron: The fact that he's not replying with force, proves his guilt. If he has anything to say, he would do so long ago.
Oxy: The law of the court judicial system should deal with sexual abuse, not Rabbi's
Moron: The reason court let him go is because x or y or z, but really he's guilty like the Gilu Daas Rabbi's have said.
Oxy: We have to stop this money control of the big boys in town, that try to run Kedasia and all other community issues - Money should not have a say in all this.
Moron: We should stop supporting the Stamford Hillers and Kedasia so they will have to abide our vision of Jewish life - Money should fix this all.
Oxy: REH should really not get involved in all this matter, it only complicates it more.
Moron: The fact that REH is so quiet is because he also believes the allegations.
Oxy: All victims should take their cases to court.
Moron: RCH shouldn't be allowed to take his accusers to court
Oxy: I follow the advice of Gedolim (the 5 in Gilu Daas)
Moron: I don't think these Gedolim know what they are talking about (the 20 that did not retract their signature, even though they had tremendous pressure and financial loss to their organizations)
...More to come...
just noticed that ifyoutickleus is very active on twitter, and he's really become to be a full fledged apikoros.
ReplyDeletefoe ex: Why is breishis full of dreams? Is it a primitive literary device? Well if so it's badly overworked. God should be able to do better.
how is it possible that such a low life was able to take an entire town into hyperventilation and hysteria?
הבן של הבלוגר שניהל את כל המערכה נגד ר' חיים נתפס בישיבה גדולה דגייטסהעד כשהוא אוכל סנדוויץ של בשר נבילה מחנות גוי. הילד לע"ל הפך לאטיאיסט והישיבה הייתה כמרקחה. היה דילמה קשה בישיבה האם לזורקו או לא. האבא הגדיל לאיים על הרה"ג ר' אברהם גורוויץ שליט"א שאם עושים משהו לבן שלו הוא ימסור על הישיבה לשלטונות על עניני משכורות וד"ל. בינתיים הבן נשלח הביתה לשבת והיה ישיבת צוות כולל עם ר' צימרמן רב העיר גייטסהעד מה לעשות.
ReplyDeleteI'm not trying to hurt anybody personally, but these are my thoughts.
ReplyDeleteEver since I remember, whenever someone needed a favor for anything, he would see one of the Halperns, whether it be R Chuna for some advice, or R Chaim for Askonons Or R' Dovid and R' Moshe as well.
I have never ever had a favor from any of the GD Rabonim, and frankly speaking I never heard of anyone that did.
Fact of the matter is, that my neighbor had a son that needed an emergency operation costing 100,000 pounds, and his Rav, Harav Kenfler, didn't put a finger in cold water, whilst R Chaim helped raise the full amount in less than a week (if you live in GG, you know whom I'm talking about).
But this is just one story from thousands.
When the allegations started coming along, I like many others, had to stop Davening at Divrei Chaim, and a great struggle of Emunah has embodied my entire spiritual life.
It was a form of אוי לי מיצרי אוי לי מיוצרי, woe to me if they're true that a Rav so high esteemed can do something like this, and woe to me if it's false and a Rav is being so falsely taken down.
I had to leave the Shul regardless, and I still don't know if/when I'll have the courage to return, but one question may I ask to Rabonim trying to get him out of town:
!!!How about putting your money and time where your mouth is, and help us put a Shul together!!!
Are you only here to sign papers and feed the blogs? Or are you here to help a desperately struggling group of Avreichim put up with a struggle of their lifetime?
Aren't you doing the same stuff the UOHC is being accused of? Sitting in fancy chairs, giving out statements, without lifting a finger to help the community?
Fact of the matter is that the Halperns have built three good Shuls (and have helped some other do so as well, Khal Chasidim, Gur, Stern etc).
Fact of the matter is that the Halperns have educated Thousands of us in their Pardes Beis Yakov and Beis Shlomo Schools (you have something better? that's ok, but you can't make this one go away either).
Fact of the matter is that it's the Halperns that are building the newest Mikvah.
Fact of the matter is that most of the Tzedokoh in town came from Halperns Mispalelim and associates
And where are you? It's one year after the mess, and what have you accomplished since then?
You are a true Chilul Hashem, and have brought NW to ashes.
I still don't know what do, and where to be Daven, but my Emunah has strengthened now that I see Hashem paying back some good to the Halperns.
One thing is sure, there are no 30 women that have come forward, and we're not talking anything serious, maybe some improper actions at most.
So was this worthy enough to cause this huge Chilul Hashem?
The only thing that will change my mind will be when I see the 5 GD Rabonim do an appeal in their Shul, so their Balei Batim help us build a new Shul.
Is that too much to ask for after such a mess?
Well said the thing wofth highlighting is that the halperns are the dominant force in GG none of the GD rabonim come close to thier achievements and resources
DeleteShameNW11 is 100% right. Good post.
ReplyDeleteIf you want a much needed erev shabbes laugh check out https://twitter.com/ALter_Boocher
The mystery is how did s/he know that R' Chaim was to be released a day before everyone else?
On Tuesday MET got hold of the recording of the Rabonim interrogating the so called witness.
ReplyDeleteI don't know what they heard there, all I know is that 36 hours later the saga was over.
Tells you something about their so called interrogation.
Just pointing out that it's not due to lack of evidence.
ReplyDeleteThe JC has confirmed with officers from Barnet's sexual offences, exploitation and child abuse command, who investigated the allegations, "that all allegations have been fully investigated".
See here: http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/113228/police-drop-rabbi-chaim-halpern-investigation
All this is lovely and dandy.
ReplyDeleteIt does not in any way affect the Giluy Daas issued by 5 influential Rabbonim, including at least one (RSW) who cannot be accused of petty bias.
It is not the first time a case has been dropped because of lack of evidence.
Guilt may still be there.
I would not be surprised if this 'lack of evidence' is just that people were reluctant to come forward and be besmirched like Weberman's accuser.
In any case, at least the BD can reconvene, and can decide if RCH is guiltless.
I somehow doubt that even if they exonerate him completely he will ever recover his former reputation.
Are you Meshuga or just stupid?
DeleteRead the official news-wire press release of the Metropolitan Police.
There's not a single mention of lack of evidence, this is a made up thing by RBK ans RSW
They write that they fully investigated every claim.
And you know that Ehrntrau has presented every piece of evidence possible to the police, and he also had sworn affidavits with Jack Rabinowitz.
Police decided that there is no case here
This is the text in the official Met news-wire release
ReplyDeleteOfficers from Barnet's sexual offences, exploitation and child abuse command, who investigated the allegations, "confirm that all allegations have been fully investigated
Of course, Berel Knopfler and sons from Israel are all over the internet writing that it's because the lack of woman willing to co-operate.
But met is saying otherwise.
So we have a new game plan by the so called NW-Union.
ReplyDeleteLet's just say that it is due to lack of evidence and co-operation by the women, but really he's still guilty.
Well, it would have worked but for some reason it doesn't.
We all know that the women were greatly encouraged to go to police.
We all know that a barrister has collected sworn testimony and given it over to police.
We all know every piece of evidence like emails and texts were all handed over.
So what is all this shit about lack of evidence.
The fact is he was release because of to much evidence.
Police finally got hold of that recording. and decided it's a myth.
I hope that now that r chaim has been cleared that people stop using tickles professional services and people stop buying at his children clothes shop in Stamford hill. He has been exposed as an apikoires so it isn't mutter all pi halacha to have any dealings with him
ReplyDeleteAll this means is that there is no evidence of a CRIME.
ReplyDeleteIt does not mean he is fit to be a Ruv. There are plenty of perfectly legal activities that would result in complete ostracisation from any Charedi Kehila let alone being allowed to be a Ruv.
(Not sure why I bothered - I know the blog owner will not allow this comment through.)
You are a big Schmuck
DeleteAre you still doing the spin?
The allegations they had against him where criminal.
The Sunday meeting of evidence was criminal.
The affidavits from Jack Rabinowtis where criminal.
And police say, they investigated all the details, and came back clean.
Meshugane! put you head in the sand, and go dance with tickle.
You can ask tickles son to join you too lol!
DeleteHAHA. And after all of it, CH still can't show his face in ninety five percent of shuls in NW London. Having every single lowlife in SH supporting him won't help him one bit.
ReplyDeleteI hear that the governors of a certain boys' high school are watching mr tickles twitter and blog very closely. Now there is what you call mesiras nefesh for the klal.
ReplyDelete1. The police (say that) they fully investigated the matter and did not find evidence to justify sending the case to the DPP. They have not, and cannot, comment on the guilt or otherwise of the alleged perpetrator.
ReplyDelete2. Following from the above there has never been produced an iota of "hard" evidence to justify the allegations. Not one person has come forward and said "Yes, I am a victim". Not one.
3. There is, of course, the original Gilui Daas signed by 5 eminent Rabbonim but it was rather vague and had no actual allegations and certainly no hard evidence. It is common knowledge that relations between the signers of the Gilui Daas and the alleged perpetrator have for many years(to put it mildly) not been of the best. We also know that the most honourable Rabbonim are prepared to, and often do, publish outright lies (as part of what they say is) for K'vod Shomayim. The classic, but by no means only, case is the attack on the Belzer Rebbe about 40 years ago published world-wide which had over 100 signatures, many of them by Rabbonim who are considered by many, myself included, to be among the most eminent in the world that contained several outright lies. I repeat, outright lies. They lied!
4. An independent court of enquiry had been set up by the UOHC beis din to investigate the allegations but had to suspend operations because they said that with the police investigation it had become sub judice (Strictly speaking, it hadn't. A matter cannot be sub judice until it has been referred to the courts, i.e. at the least the alleged perpetrator must have been charged) We should at least wait until we hear if the investigating beis din is now going to be (re)convened and if so what are its terms of reference going to be.
May I point out that the Giku Daas was publicized after:
Deletea. RCH resigned from every public serice
b. DCE agreed with the UOHC that a special B"D will convene
c. The B"D was chosen
d. Maron Harav Chaim Kanievski And Harav Weiss wrote that it should be referred to the B"D
e. Harav Gurowits from Gateshead said not to do it.
This was clearly malicious intent as part of a libellous campaign
ReplyDeleteI am glad to hear that, he is indeed a fine person. Mazel tov!
ReplyDeleteYes, many of the cases VIN reports are true. We all know that, but not every accusation is proven. This investigation was undertaken not by a Beis Din or Yeshiva Board but by the police and city of Barnet officials. Now....are they going to charge (indict) the so-called victims & accusers for wasting police time? And will Rav Halpern sue? He should. Malicious defamation.
ReplyDeleteBoruch Hashem, over here those of us who know him knew it was fabricated, we had a fabrication in Manchester too against the most eidel gentleman.
ReplyDeleteI dont have personal knowledge of this case, but when I was a child, I was abused by a frimmer chasidisher yingerman for many years. I wont go into details what I had to do him, but it was worse things than you could ever imagine.
ReplyDeleteEach time one of you people insist there is no abuse in our kehilla you kill another bit of me.
One day, if you hear of another covered up suicide, please remember that one of you might have been the cause of it.
Maybe this case didnt happen, but abuse does happen in our kehille and it needs to be dealt with. Today, abusers know that even if they are caught it will be covered up. This is wrong.
Abusers should not be free to continue abusing and future abusers need to know what will be coming to them if they are caught.
You have my sympathy. Dont be hurt if you get no response from anybody on here. You are part of the problem they pretend doesnt exist. Until it hits them.
DeleteHoidi L'shem.......that's all we can say, in our days to finally be zoicha to hear something that good.
ReplyDeleteIt was nice to be going into shobbos with such happy-ness.
& to you ppl out there who caused this tremendous pain for such a kind persom for nothing,' SHAME ON YOU ALL'
I have no doubt that he is innocent!
ReplyDeleteThank G-D he's been freed!
I'm happy too.
ReplyDeleteIt was unlikely that a rav like him, plus he had the zechus of helping me once or twice, that such a person was guilty of such things!
actually you know this is a very funny if it comes out after they investigated that this is true his guilty you say wow they did a good job but becaus it did not go your way gotta be witness intimidation don't you see the drop the charges because the investigated and they see it to a whole hocus pocus I could see you don't like it because you want to be everybody guilty but hey it's too bad people like you and this
ReplyDeletebomb Nukem Rosenberg hav e a problem at least now let's see any come out and say I'm sorry for embarrassing this guy so much
If I were accused of the same things I would sue every acciser for every penny they have. I'd force them to take the stand and either admit they lied or prove their allegations.
ReplyDeleteWhen he sues in a court of law and wins I'll know he was falsely accused and publicly apologize in person.
ראית מה המשטרה כותבת? לא שלא הייתה שיתוף פעולה מצד הנשים החרדיות, הם כותבים במפורש שהם חקרו היטב את הנושא, ואין שום תביעות נגדו...
ReplyDeleteעכשיו שונאיו ימשיכו ללכת ראש בקיר ולטעון שזה בגלל שלא שתפו פעולה, המשטרה לא היה צריך הנשים יעידו, הם חיפשו הוכחות, ולא מצאו, סגרו את התיק, לצערם של כל שונאי הרבנים והחרדים בכל העולם כולו.
נראה עכשיו את האדמו"ר מסדיגורא מבקש ממנו סליחה, לאחר ההתקפות וההשמצות שדבר נגדו
ReplyDeleteIn case there is anyone who still doubts the fact that RCH actually did things he shouldn't have.
ReplyDeleteRCH himself was מודה in front of the Rabbonim that he crossed red lines [everything is very well documented].
RCH himself wrote that he accepts that he will 1. no longer take any public position 2.he will no longer see women.
That says a lot.
The fact that that his blinded supporters are not helping him to get down from the high tree he's on is doing no one any good.
The fact that the police dropped the charges means he didn't engage in criminal activity.
It doesn't mean in any way that he acted in ways a Rov should...
I
Hey Golders Greener! Nice spinning!
DeleteA. He agreed not to resign and not to see women till a B'D convenes. And so did DCE agree with REP on the very same day.
DCE changed his mind when he saw he's loosing the grip, and decided to do a G"D before B"D
B. Velvels accusations, which were discussed during that KKK meeting (Kangaroo B"D) were of criminal nature. The fact that police go the tapes and decided not to press charges, means that the accusations are not true.
It is in fact those recordings that got RCH out of trouble.
It is so obvious in them that it's a setup...
Now, I don't blame the Rabonim for believing it, after all they don't have much experience in these investigations. But you can't go publicizing letters that all these allegations need to be conducted by legal authorities, and then on the other side do your own stuff.
Your comments show how little you know R' Chaim. Had he really been innocent, there is no way he would have capitulated to the GD Rabonim and resigned all his public positions. He would have come out fighting like a lion. The police investigation has nothing to do with fitness to be a Rov and only dealt with the UK legal situation.
ReplyDeleteWow, your writing carries the weight and intelligence of a prosecutor, you should apply for the job...
DeleteBasically you're saying that he's definitely guilty, because he wavered to the pressure.
Do you understand how deeply and widely this campaign against him was?
For weeks he was threatened about police involvement. He was hammered by new blogs and trollers, cornered from every side, and wavered.
So what does that mean?
BTW, now that police is done with the police HE IS GOING TO COME OUT AND START FIGHTING LIKE A LION !!!
You caught him off guard last year, but now he's geared up, and with lots of backing.
Watch this play out !!!
Last year town was a wreck, this coming year it will be a heck.
There should be a public hafguna outside the houses of the GD Rabbunim demanding a public apology all we will here from these boms are more excuses.
ReplyDeleteCan't agree more.
DeleteRemember the protest they wanted to do on Bridge Lane?
It's about time they get some of it too.
It is important to understand the role of the police and the CPS. If you care to read the email from the police on the chscandal blog you will see that the police confirm that they carried out a full investigation and they then passed on the file to the Crown Prosecution Service who decided not to bring any charges.
ReplyDeleteThe police's role is to gather evidence and interview witnesses and suspects while the CPS's role is to decide whether to press charges.
There are 2 considerations for this: 1. whether there is a realistic prospect of a conviction and 2. whether a prosecution is in the public interest. I think we can safely rule out 2 and so we are left with the conclusion that the CPS did not believe a conviction is likely.
Without going into the rights and wrongs of this case, before people bandy about the police they should understand this procedure.
The CPS website says that "When [the police] think they know who did the crime and have enough evidence to prove it, or when they need advice, they show the file to a Prosecutor."
The fact that the police sent the file to the CPS suggests that the police thought that they had something of a case. It was evidently not a strong case as no charges were brought. However,while he may be entirely innocent not being charged is still not the same as being cleared.
sockpuppets , the lot of you . there cant be that many crazies out there ???!!!
ReplyDeleteHa ha ;-)
DeleteSome humor there.
Thanks!
Humor; What are you trying to say? Can't you see the emes for yourself? Now the conspirasy has been shown up for what it is and R' C. Shlita has been proven to be completely inocent all we get is silence??? Why is noone outside shouting from the rooftops? Don't we need to be nekoym nikmas hashem meais hamidyunim? Why are we taking it lieing down? Its a scandal !!!
DeleteYou should know the following:
ReplyDelete1. All the Rabbonim who claim the Harav Chaim is guilty have negios and have it in for him and are all lying
2. All the women and girls who claim that Harav Chaim is guilty of gross misconduct and that he touched them inappropriately or just spoke to them in provocative ways, are all crazy and are lying
3. When Harav Chaim arm wrestled with the women, the women and girls required it part of their therapy treatment and had the full consent and haskomo from the Amshinover Rebbe
4. The police dropped all charges and they together with the CPS have certainly investigated any claims made against him including those of being worthy of being called a Rabbi according to English law
5. Any Rov who is not a litvak and is completely impartial say he is innocent after fully investigating the case. Just ask any chusheve Rov from Stamford Hill
6. Harav Chaim only stepped down from his public positions because he was threatened by the GD Rabonim and nothing to do with admission of guilt. He has always in the past been afraid of his sonim
7. The outside Beis Din will not return because the GD Rabonim and all his sonim will put pressure on them not to return as they know he will be found innocent
The truth will prevail and justice will be served...
Chaim, you are living in another world. In this world your statements are not credible and full of obvious misrepresentations of facts.
DeleteHave you never heard of sarcasm? It is the highest form of wit. And the way to get things published on this blog...
DeleteEverybody relax!
ReplyDeleteB"D will be back soon, but not too soon.
It will probably be a few weeks before they're back.
They all have booked up schedules for the at least the next 6 weeks.
But all sides insist they will win in B"D, so everybody is all for it, and they'll be back.
Reply to: Anonymous November 17, 2013 at 6:02 PM
ReplyDeleteWow, your writing carries the weight and intelligence of a prosecutor, you should apply for the job...
Basically you're saying that he's definitely guilty, because he wavered to the pressure.
Do you understand how deeply and widely this campaign against him was?
For weeks he was threatened about police involvement. He was hammered by new blogs and trollers, cornered from every side, and wavered.
So what does that mean?
BTW, now that police is done HE IS GOING TO COME OUT AND START FIGHTING LIKE A LION !!!
You caught him off guard last year, but now he's geared up, and with lots of backing.
Watch this play out !!!
Last year town was a wreck, this coming year it will be a heck.
Halevai.. But don't bank on it. He's always been scared to fight with other peeple. He doesn't wamt to cause any machloykes. He wood raather let the gd 5 have there way..
DeleteProsecutor, we who knew him for many years know that whatever the pressure, if truly innocent he would not buckle. You obviously do not know him well. He was not off guard, he knew he was going into battle. They only caught him unprepared to face an accuser, but instead of outrage against "false accusations" he became a weakling. Totally out of character.
DeleteBecoming a lion now will not help him. We now know that he did wrong and whilst some will still run to him, his power has gone and will not come back. He was once on a trajectory to become NW Londons if not Londons most powerful Rov, but that is now history, he is a spent force. The only reason he is not being more publicly castigated by erstwhile colleagues is because they are afraid of his fathers curses, as they privately admit.
Anonymous November 20, 2013 at 8:38 PM
DeleteI don't think you noticed, but your wording gives away your intent.
Why do you show so much glee in...
"He was once on a trajectory to become NW Londons if not Londons most powerful Rov, but that is now history, he is a spent force."
Is that in any way part of the discussion?
Nobody, even his diehard fans, believe he will come back to "pre" level of what he was, so why keep repeating it so many times?
Was it in your mind too much, that you finally feel released that it's no more?
Psychology
DeleteYou misunderstand. It is not glee but sadness, as we were part of his inner crowd and our lives were turned upside down when we found out some truths. My comments were aimed at the people who frequent this site and keep repeating how he is coming back to his former glory.
I don't see any mention of anybody saying that he's coming back.
DeleteAll they're saying is that he's innocent of what he's being accused of.
The fact that you thought he is Tzadik like the GR"U, and it turns out he's not, doesn't make is more sad than it is.
My point is that you gave away a lot of your feelings in your writing. Feelings that main street GG don't agree with.
When you write... "they are afraid of his fathers curses".
Are you kidding me?
And everybody goes back to sleep........z.zz.z.zzzz......
ReplyDeleteEverybody seems to agree that R' Dovid Halpern of Hendon is Surely a Tzadik, and had nothing to do with this mess.
ReplyDeleteSo can someone please explain to me why is that A Chosive Rav spent three days in jail, falsely accused, and not even one Rav will say that it is a Chilul Hashem?
This is the lowest a Yid can get, to report a Rav with a false accusation, and not a single Rav voices his objection to such a despicable act?
What has happened to us?
!!! BIZOYON TALMID CHOCHOM !!!
London Jewry is in Ashes, this war has killed the Rabonim on all front lines.
DeleteSorry no one can stick up for your Kavod Hatorah, it is dead.
This place looks like Hiroshima.
Nebach.
Time will tell who was right.
ReplyDeleteHashem gives everyone a chance for Tshuva, but if not used, a price is paid.
Over the next 20 years, everybody involved in this mess, on both sided, will either have Hatzlacha or the opposite.
So lets see what time (Hashem) judges for us.
rumours are B"D coming back
ReplyDeletewe need to put pressure on the chassidishe rabbunim in Stamford hill that now Reb Chaim Shlita is made innocent by the police to be back a Dayan on the Keddassia Beis Din. enough is enough from these golders greener people.
ReplyDeleteReb Chaim Shlita to be back a Dayan on inzerer Keddassia Beis Din
Dream on sir
DeleteWhat Chussid are you??? That you have put your beliefs in the police, while our Rabbonim saw the evidence a year ago and issued a Gilui Da'as.
DeleteHopefully the bes din will come back soon, and the truth will unfold very soon.
Good Chanuka.
and not a single Golders Greener will eat from the Keddassia Mafia Hechsher ever again
Deletei hear that he will be a Dayan very shortly. just ask Dayan Padwa Shlita!
ReplyDelete